Second Thoughts WTO (id:#61779)
Prior Publication: FrF08 Friendly Fire Pack 1
Wingen-sur-Moder, France
1945-01-04 (13 others)
CH166: Bicske Brawl (Critical Hit # 7.1)
FrF8: Second Thoughts (Friendly Fire Pack 1)
SP9: Gun Copse (Schwerpunkt # 1)
FF10: Castle Keep (FireFights! #2)
HG-15: King Darges (High Ground 2)
WSM1: Dawn Attack (Nordic Twilight - Norwind 1945)
WSM2: Krauts in the Holes (Nordic Twilight - Norwind 1945)
WSM3: A Company Alone (Nordic Twilight - Norwind 1945)
WSM4: Jumbo Time (Nordic Twilight - Norwind 1945)
WSM5: Love Hurts (Nordic Twilight - Norwind 1945)
WSM6: Company G (Nordic Twilight - Norwind 1945)
WSM8: The 781st Tries Again (Nordic Twilight - Norwind 1945)
BK 2.3: Bicske Brawl (Coastal Fortress)
FrF8: Second Thoughts (Friendly Fire Pack 1)
SP9: Gun Copse (Schwerpunkt # 1)
FF10: Castle Keep (FireFights! #2)
HG-15: King Darges (High Ground 2)
WSM1: Dawn Attack (Nordic Twilight - Norwind 1945)
WSM2: Krauts in the Holes (Nordic Twilight - Norwind 1945)
WSM3: A Company Alone (Nordic Twilight - Norwind 1945)
WSM4: Jumbo Time (Nordic Twilight - Norwind 1945)
WSM5: Love Hurts (Nordic Twilight - Norwind 1945)
WSM6: Company G (Nordic Twilight - Norwind 1945)
WSM8: The 781st Tries Again (Nordic Twilight - Norwind 1945)
BK 2.3: Bicske Brawl (Coastal Fortress)
Designer: Mattias Rönnblom
Starter kit scenario?: Deluxe scenario?:
Balance:
German (SS)American
Overview:
The first objective of Operation Nordwind, Hitler's last major offensive in the west, was to secure a path through the Low Vosges mountains to the Alsatian plains. One possible path ran through Wingen-sur-Moder. Kampfgruppe Wingen was tasked to seize the village.---In "Second Thoughts" SS-Gebirgs-Jäger and a captured M8 HMC meet a tiny American infantry force defending Heidenneck outside Wingen. The Americans are ready to give up arms, but change their minds as they receive unexpected armored reinforcements, which enable them to counter-attack and retake Heidenneck and maybe even break through to the now German-held Wingen itself with the tanks.Attacker: German (SS) (Kompanie 5, Bataillon I, SS-Gebirgsjäger-Regiment 12, SS-Gebirgs-Division 6 “Nord,” Kampfgruppe Wingen and Captured M8 HMC)
Defender: American (1271st Engineer Combat Battalion and Service Troops of 179th Infantry Regiment and Company B, 781st Tank Battalion and Company l, 276th Infantry Regiment, 70th Infantry Division, Task Force Herren)
7 turns
Players: 2 OBA: None Night: No| Unit Counts: |
| Squads: A:7.0 D:13.0 |
| AFVs: A:1 M8 HMC |
| AFVs: D:3 M4A3 x 2 M4A3(76)W |
| Guns: A:0 D:0 |
| Misc Rules: | GS. A: Infantry have WC. M8 crew is Inexperienced but suffers no use penalties |
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| Overlays: | RR8 | St1 |
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| Date | Reporter | Opponent | Bal. | Result | Time | Comments | |
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| 2026-07-04 | (A) Paul Legg | vs | Jonas Bjorkqvist | American win (VASL Log) | Friday Night Fight What a bloody affair! My SS conceded on American turn 7 when I had nothing to prevent the two remaining AFVs exiting to over-rule the multihex building I was still holding that was not a guaranteed prospect for the Amis. (log for first 4 turns attached, continuation uploaded separately.) | ||
| 2026-03-16 | (A) Savo Barbero | vs | Luca Martini | American win | 3 hrs | ||
| 2025-01-14 | (A) Nate Gregg | vs | Chris Gregg | German (SS) win | |||
| 2022-07-26 | (D) Andy Bagley | vs | Neil Brunger | German (SS) win | I was scared of the Germans occupying the North edge buildings on turns 1 and 2, hence getting point-blank shots at my tanks as they came on, so I positioned most of my meagre force on that side. Sure enough, the Germans moved down the south side near the river, and it then became a game of Americans counterattacking to try to clear them out. I just failed, the Germans aided by the well-known tactic of routing upstairs, hence denying me building control even though they were broken. Very close game though. | ||
| 2022-02-26 | (D) Eben Johnson | vs | American win | Wow. Snuck my US tanks off the south edge for the victory. It was important to stay in motion on the flank and use my sMs. German fire was murderous. I only had one healthy half squad remaining. Germans flamed one of my moving tanks with a PF at max. range with 1-1, followed by 1-3---ouch. Those flames reflected off the French snow for a kilometer in all directions. |
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| Action | Date |
|---|---|
| Paul Legg Uploaded a VASL Log file | 2026-07-04 12:02:31 |
| Paul Legg Added a playing | 2026-07-04 12:00:49 |
| galletto Added a playing | 2026-03-16 21:23:09 |
| A15.4er Added a playing | 2025-09-15 15:20:50 |
| A15.4er Added a playing | 2025-09-07 20:26:19 |
| File | Description | User | Views |
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| (AAR BoF11.pdf) | After Action Report | von Marwitz | 2306 |
| Wingen-sur-Moder battle (wingen battle.jpg) | Image | hoxson1 | 1860 |
| (!ss-usa new.png) | Image | hoxson1 | 1577 |
| Situation in GT6 (BoF11 end of GT6.jpg) | Image | dieneuner25 | 1479 |
| VASL Log file (BoF11 Play.vlog) | VASL Game Log | Paul Legg | 26 |
| second part turns 5 to 7 (BoF11 Play2.vlog) | VASL Game Log | Paul Legg | 26 |
| (BoF11 Second Thoughts.png) | Map Image | hipsu | 2151 |
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| Statistics: | ||
| Avg Rating: 7.00 | Votes: 22 | Views: | 6296 |
| To-Play list count: | 3 | |
| Estimated Play time: | 4.3 hours | |
| Recorded Games: | 25 | |
| Archive recorded plays: | ||
| German (SS) | 14 | |
| American | 11 | |
| Drawn: | 0 | |
| ROAR Data: (as of today) Second Thoughts [Confirmed] |
| [A] German | 22 |
| [D] American | 24 |